In this episode, our guest is Michael Barnard, a climate futurist, systems thinker, and clean tech strategist. Michael dives deep into the myths and realities around hydrogen, offering compelling arguments backed by decades of technical analysis and scenario modelling. He explains why hydrogen's role in the future energy mix is likely overstated and explores the economic and technological factors that favour batteries and electrification instead. From maritime shipping to steelmaking, and from Pakistan's rooftop solar boom to battery swapping in Asia, Michael's insights illuminate the macro trends transforming energy, transport, and policy. A must-listen for anyone serious about the global energy transition.

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