In this episode, I chat with Michelle Fullner, aka, the Golden State Naturalist, to discuss the convergence of conservation and effective communication through the lens of the All Land is Beautiful perspective and the work of land trusts. The overarching theme of this conversation, at least what I can best summarize, is the inherent opposition between the values of the natural world and those of the technological.

We use Michelle’s origin story in becoming the Golden State Naturalist as a backdrop to discussing the importance of things like  understanding the behind the scenes work of protected lands, what responsibility we have in respecting and giving back to the places we love, as well as the balance between idealistic and pragmatic conservation approaches. Through sharing her journey toward reconnecting with nature, we delve into narrative storytelling's role in social media to make conservation efforts engaging and relatable, how that relates to environmental organizations, and Michelle’s efforts in providing resources for those tasked with, or trying to communicate important conservation stories. I’m so appreciative of Michelle taking the time to meet me in person, and on a side note, glad that I was able to grant her her first underground podcast interview, in a wine cave, due to a last minute location change.