TWF learns from Derek Kubilus in conversation with his book Holy Hell: A Case against Eternal Condemnation.

Derek Ryan Kubilus is an ordained elder serving in the East Ohio Conference of the United Methodist Church. He is also a member of the Order of Saint Luke and an amateur podcaster. He currently serves the First United Methodist Church of Ashland, Ohio, where he lives with his wife, Maggie Astrino, and their two Great Pyrenees, Beowulf and Fenris.

Keep up with Theology With Friends on instagram @theologywithfriends and follow our host @paxton.barkdull

Rate and share TWF to support the show!!! Thank you for listening :)

Music by Autra Martin

TYLER THE CREATOR x ACTION BRONSON TYPE BEAT "VERMIN"