Two weeks after a dropped call cut our first conversation short, Tim Ryan is back — fresh from Race for 2030's Consumer Grid Summit with 40 of Australia's top energy minds. In this conversation: why VPPs are "a shell game" for businesses trying to control your battery, the NMI number sitting in your switchboard that could work exactly like a phone number once did, and why Tim believes energy will eventually work the way WhatsApp does — invisible, automatic, and nobody thinks about it. We also get into Project Edith, why retailers want to "hasten slowly," and why Tim is convinced this future is coming whether the incumbents like it or not. "It's there and it's possible. The question is how long it takes to get cheaper — and how businesses modify their approach on the way."

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