In this episode I chat with Elly Chapple - TEDx speaker, author of Diagnosis: Human and founder of The Power of the Pause training. Her work draws on two decades of walking alongside her eldest daughter, Ella. Her book is not, she is careful to say, a book about disability; it is a book for every human. It is about presence, vulnerability and what we lose when we let the fast, overstimulated version of life set the pace.

In this conversation Elly and I talk about:

• Why the work of education starts with the adults, not the children.

• Sympathy versus empathy and why empathy has to linger.

• The bin lid, the front brain and what gets in the way of being present.

• Edges: knowing where ours are and honouring other people's.

• Why difference doesn't threaten us, it reveals us.

• The small practices - breath, pause, safe relationships - that bring us back to ourselves

Links to Elly's website, her book Diagnosis: Human and TEDx talk are below.

• Website - https://ellychapple.com/
• TEDx Talk - Diversity is the key to our survival: The Shoeness of a Shoe
• Diagnosis: Human