Viviane Robinson is distinguished Professor Emeritus at the University of Auckland.  Viviane's work has focused on school improvement, leadership and the relationship between research and practice. A leading voice in her field internationally, she has received various awards for her work. In this episode Sarah chats to Viviane about her book 'Reduce Change to Increase Improvement', delving into the complexities and interconnectedness of leadership and improvement, and gets a brief insight into her upcoming final book.