Carlos Saba is a co-founder (along with Laurence McCahill) of the Happy Startup School, an online community for people looking to do heart-centered business in creative ways. Like myself, he is a PhD holder who has taken an unconventional route in life. In this episode he talks about his own journey to getting the PhD and beyond, the importance of centering fun in our lives, and the possibilities for doing business if you are a creative or artist that do not sacrifice your creative space and vision. If Carlos has one message for people, it is that it is enough to just be who you are, that we can lean into being ourselves and live happy, fulfilling lives by focusing on what energizes us and brings us joy. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did!

The Happy Startup School website, blog, and videos.

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