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In episode 5, we sit down with Carly Hubbard, owner and manager of Rough Draft, a Michigan coffeehouse and cocktail bar. We talk about the stresses of owning and operating a restaurant, the importance of being brave enough to leave your comfort zone, the food culture of Michigan, and the unfortunate ubiquity of the fern in latte art. Join the conversation with us on Twitter or https://anchor.fm/vernacular/support