In this episode--the first ever video discussion I've done--my friend Mike Iversen joins me to talk about pipe smoking, Rod Dreher's latest book, why Catholics are drawn to conspiracy theories, and how to live in the tension between acknowledging the authority of our government while recognizing that it is composed of fallen people.

To watch the YouTube version of this conversation, head here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFd938A6-eKlgbAwAvvwMuQ

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