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Recorded live at the 2026 NAWB Forum in Las Vegas, this episode features a dynamic conversation with Ron Painter, former CEO of the National Association of Workforce Boards and current principal at Forbes Field Associates. Together, we explore what it takes to lead in today's rapidly evolving workforce landscape—from navigating policy shifts and leveraging data, to building agile, collaborative organizations that can respond to constant change. Ron shares insights on the importance of vision, the realities of labor force trends, and how leaders can stay relevant in the face of disruption, including automation and AI. Whether you're a workforce professional, policymaker, or organizational leader, this conversation offers practical wisdom and big-picture perspective on shaping the future of work.