Gillian is a Chartered Educational Psychologist who teaches on the MSc in Educational Psychology at Dundee University. In this conversation, we explore how Gillian came to be an Educational Psychologist which interestingly connects with her PhD focus. We take a bit of a deep dive into the focus of her PhD and in particular cultural-historical activity theory. We also reflect on and unpick some of the misunderstandings around educational psychology and where it might make its best contribution in the future.