In which eavesdropping host Juliet Fraser talks to Jennifer Torrence about "etc." as a window of possibility, being happy in the creative fog and memories of Enya blasting in the bathroom.

References: Enya, Cats (the musical), Garth Brooks, Madonna, Paula Abdul, Boyz II Men on tape, composer Francois Sarhan (and Juliet mentions composers Kristine Tjøgersen, Clara Iannotta, Jessie Marino), the Berlin Philharmonic (hearing Daniel Barenboim conducting Beethoven's 7th Symphony and Vasily Petrenko conducting Stravinsky's Petrushka), bell hooks, and Inga Margrete Aas.

Recommended listening: https://youtu.be/LKQIjP7tzKs

Jen will perform in the eavesdropping festival at Cafe OTO on Friday 20 March 2026: https://www.eavesdropping.london/activity/2026/