Ed Bachrach and Ted Dabrowski joined the podcast to discuss:

• How Illinois' pension debt has spiraled into one of the worst in the nation

• The dangers of Governor Pritzker's proposed "pension sweetener" bill

• The long-term risks for taxpayers and future generations

Ed Bachrach is a retired businessman who returned to graduate school to earn a degree in public policy after his retirement. He co-authored The New Chicago Way: Lessons from Other Big Cities, a detailed analysis of Chicago's government structure and fiscal challenges.

Ted Dabrowski is the president of Wirepoints, a policy organization focused on exposing Illinois' financial and governance crises. He is a long-time policy activist who advocates for reforms to restore affordability, accountability, and opportunity in Illinois.