It's tricky being a nice guy and also dealing with prosecution and criminal convictions, but Ed Stier has found a way to successfully navigate these complexities. The first part of the conversation focuses on his early life , his deep connection with my family, his relationship with religion , how he met his wife, and his memories and thoughts on my dear uncle Bobby. The second part focuses on his work life, as chief of the criminal division of the New Jersey US attorney's office and director of New Jersey, criminal justice, to his later years in private practice. He has convicted hundreds of racketeers and public officials resulting in dramatic reduction of organized crime on New Jersey government.

Throw in a few stories about dealing with psychopaths versus "regular" criminals and you have a compelling conversation with a very human and decent man that I'm proud to know very well.