As part of the Bold Women Collective, Jolene Levin sits down with Education Consultant Deb O’Riley, International Director for Learning Environments Australasia, for a powerful conversation on how learning spaces shape belonging, wellbeing, and possibility. With 35 years of experience across teaching, principalship, and school-design leadership, Deb brings a sharp, empathetic lens to what kids truly need from the environments they learn in.

In this episode:

• How the journey—from Adelaide to principal to consultant—shaped her philosophy

• Why relationships, care, and knowing every child truly matter

• The impact of bringing the educator’s voice into the school and space design

• How agile, flexible spaces and indoor–outdoor flow uplift all learners

• The legacy she hopes to leave: safe, curious, connected places for kids