Hear Dan discuss inner work, creativity and bizarre career paths with Saturday Night Live's own Ego Nwodim.

Among other things, they chat about the mythology of New York City, Ego's academic origins studying biology, the zen-state of performing improv comedy, how trying to be funny is the least funny thing, the chaotic power of Comedy Bang Bang, making friends as an adult, how acting allows you to play out versions of yourself that might get stifled in real life, the strength of vulnerability, celebrating excellence in others, and the faith of letting personal practices go when they're no longer helpful.

This episode features a surprise needle drop of "October" by La Force.

Caveat: This conversation occurred before Ego announced that she was leaving SNL.