In this interview, Ellen, Theresa and I talk about grant warriors, long-haul perseverance, mid-life shifts, and keeping your eyes on the ultimate prize: joy in the work.

Ellen Fullman is known for her creation and mastery of the Long String Instrument, an installation of over 40 delicate strings played by hand that spans 50 to 100 feet in length. Fullman's distinguished career includes a recent 2020 Guggenheim Fellowship, and upcoming commissions from the JACK Quartet, and The Living Earth Show. Cellist, vocalist and composer Theresa Wong's prolific career includes original multimedia projects like the improvised opera, O Sleep, and The Unlearning, songs for violin, cello and two voices, first performed at Yerba Buena Center for the Arts with violinist Carla Kihlstedt. Fullman and Wong's new album, Harbors, praised by Pitchfork for its "dramatic physical presence," is available online here.

Find out more about the artists at theresawong.org and ellenfullman.com.

Photo used by permission the artists; taken in front of a Yayoi Kusama installation.