We start this week’s show with a report about two artist-idealists, photographer Sally Mann and Cameron Rowland, a conceptual artist. Both artists tackle issues around race-based cruelty and systemic racism. The Big Interview is with Tom Nelson, a Minneapolis attorney who’s used his leadership roles in local bar associations to push for greater diversity and inclusion. My Block C has me talking about Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility, Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism—a phenomenal book that is must reading for every white American.