The Dobbs v. Jackson decision broke just before I taped the show, so the Big Interview is with Pastor Dean Sloan of the Shepherd of the Hills Presbyterian Church in Chaska, MN where we talk about how not all religions are anti-abortion. Our featured idealist is Jim Obergefell, who was the named plaintiff in the 2015 marriage equality case decided by the Supreme Court (and which is now threatened by the rational in Dobbs). Things are getting pretty dire, folks.