Meet Laura Madokoro, historian and Associate Professor in the Department of History at Carleton University. She is the author of Elusive Refuge: Chinese Migrants in the Cold War published by Harvard in 2016. We talk about why studying the past is important, what historical exclusions say about our immigration system, how the grand narratives of humanitarianism may be disguising violence and displacement, and the settler colonial project of using race to inform our immigration policies.