Eva and John dive into one of the core themes of their life’s work: embodied leadership. Together, they explore what it truly means to lead, not from personality or performance, but from the grounded intelligence of the body.

They unravel the misconceptions around leadership—how it’s often confused with authority, charisma, or productivity—and look instead through a new lens: leadership as a lived, embodied practice. Along the way, they reflect on their own paths, how embodiment became the foundation of their work, and why they believe leadership rooted in the body is essential for this moment in time.

This conversation also opens a window into a creation they’ve been shaping quietly for years: a 12-month Embodied Leadership Program that brings together the tools, frameworks, and wisdom gathered from their individual journeys. Launching February 1st, 2026, it marks the beginning of a first cohort who will become an integral part of the Dreaming in Unison community.

The episode is both an intimate exploration and an invitation—an opportunity to feel into what embodied leadership might mean for your own life, and to walk alongside Eva and John as they share the work that moves them most.

If you want to learn more about the Embodied Leadership Program offering visit: https://www.dreaminginunison.org/12-month

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