Welcome to this wide-ranging conversation with my co-host, Steve McNitt, and our guest, Emma Lenz.

Emma, Steve, and I discuss topics like weird church experiences, the messiness of doing life with others, grieving with those you love, and how serving can be the door that opens us up to so much more in our lives.

Follow Emma's work at Sac State on Instagram @sacstateyounglifecollege.

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