In this final episode of season five, Eric Benson talks with sociologist and American University Professor Dr. Dana Fisher for a frank conversation about the current state of climate action and our political and social futures.

Dr. Fisher introduces her compelling idea of “apocalyptic optimism” and explains why grassroots activism, community resilience, and embracing your anger are key to driving real change, as it’s a “perfectly wonderful time to be shrill.”

From pandemic revelations to personal awakenings, Dr. Fisher shares stories and strategies that will inspire both seasoned climate advocates and curious newcomers. Tune in to learn how you can channel urgency into action, find common ground with your neighbors, and learn why now is the time to do both.

If you want to buy Dana’s new book, use the code CUP20 for 20% off of Saving Ourselves: From Climate Shocks to Climate Action