Welcome back to The NERVE! Conversations With Movement Elders a podcast from the National Council of Elders featuring intergenerational conversations between elder and younger organizers about important topics in our movements today.

This episode features a conversation about moving through division and conflict to create and model the world we desire in our nation and in our social justice organizations.

This episode is hosted by Aljosie Aldrich Harding (she/her) a servant-leader with NCOE, Movement Elder-in-Residence with Project South, and comrade and partner of the late Dr. Vincent Harding.

Joining Aljosie in this conversation are:

• Loretta Ross (she/her) activist, public intellectual, professor, NCOE member and author of Calling In: How to Start Making Change With Those You'd Rather Cancel, based in Georgia.

• Loan Tran (they/them) national co-director of Rising Majority, based in North Carolina

• Kyla Hartsfield (she/her) project director at CompassPoint, based in North Carolina

Resources recommended by Aljosie, Loretta, Loan and Kyla:

• Sister Song: Women of Color Reproductive Justice Collective

• The Land Knows The Way: Eco-Social Insights for Liberation by Ricardo Levins Morales

• Fighting Shame Around How We Respond in Conflict by Kyla Hartsfield and Laura Eberly

• the valley of its making by Nate Marshall

CREDITS: Created and produced by the National Council of Elders podcast and oral history team: Aljosie Aldrich Harding, Frances Reid, Eddie Gonzalez, Sarayah Wright, alyzza may, and Rae Garringer.