In this episode, Alma is joined by Ben Mustin, an organizational ecologist, systems thinker, and facilitator whose curiosity has led him from organizational consulting into deeper creative practice through dreams and the unconscious.

They explore how practice has shifted his relationship with self — from control toward surrender, from striving toward receptivity. They touch on shadow, engagement with the natural world, and the companions who have guided him—thinkers like James Hillman, Ursula Le Guin, adrienne maree brown, and Octavia Butler. What emerges is a portrait of someone learning to live in closer dialogue with mystery, with image, and with the gifts that arise when we yield to life’s deeper currents.

To learn more about Ben, visit our full show notes. 

Find him at Mercury Wayfinding and Making Peace with Masculinity.