In this insightful episode of Off The Agenda, we’re joined by Emma Jones CBE — former founder of Enterprise Nation and the UK Small Business Commissioner — for a wide-ranging conversation on entrepreneurship, optimism, and building the conditions for small businesses to thrive.

In conversation with Natasha Frangos and Natalie Ojevah MBE, Emma reflects on growing up in an entrepreneurial family, selling her first business at 27, and spending her career championing founders across the UK.

She shares candid insights on mentorship, late payments, community-led growth, and why optimism is one of the most important tools for entrepreneurs navigating uncertainty.