Joshua Holland is joined by Lili Loofbourow to talk about the growing popularity and moral ambiguity of the Herman Cain Awards, which chronicle the Covid deaths of hardcore anti-vaxxers. Then veteran border reporter Melissa del Bosque joins us to explain how Border Patrol officials work with right-wing media outlets.

Joshua Holland is joined by Lili Loofbourow to talk about the growing popularity and moral ambiguity of the Herman Cain Awards, which chronicle the Covid deaths of hardcore anti-vaxxers. Then veteran border reporter Melissa del Bosque joins us to explain how Border Patrol officials work with right-wing media outlets.

Joshua Holland is joined by&nbsp;Lili Loofbourow to talk about the growing popularity and moral ambiguity of the Herman Cain Awards, which chronicle the Covid deaths of hardcore anti-vaxxers. Then veteran border reporter Melissa del Bosque joins us to explain how Border Patrol officials work with right-wing media outlets.

Empathy battles schadenfreude when anti-vaxxers die from Covid

Focusing on issues, not tweets, Joshua Holland talks politics and culture with newsmakers, journalists and academics.

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Empathy battles schadenfreude when anti-vaxxers die from Covid

Empathy battles schadenfreude when anti-vaxxers die from Covid