Many people see empathy as something that makes you weak or fragile, we disagree.  We recorded this episode days before the inauguration at a time of crippling division and we were trying to come to terms with that and a very difficult year. Think of it as the, “who suffered more Olympics”, a lot of whining, a lot of judgment and virtually no common ground.  We need common ground along with a willingness to entertain the possibility that we’re not 100% right at all times.  This is not the typical Jocular Pugilists podcast.

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