In this week's episode join Chris Murman, Jason Cusak, Andrew Leff, and Jay Hrcsko as they discuss the trials and tribulations of going through an enterprise agile transformation, through the lens of both a contractor brought in to help with the change, and as a full-time employee who is on the receiving end of said change.  They discuss the differences of the experience from both sides, the group swaps tips on how to work better with "the other side", and they even discuss the concept of "skin in the game," and how that plays into opinions and attitudes during a transformation.  Enjoy!