This episode continues the series What We’re Building—a look at the most noteworthy organizations and initiatives on the US Left today. 

The relationships between creditors and debtors—like those between bosses and workers and landlords and tenants—are foundational economic relationships under capitalism. All are at once sites of exploitation, and sites where class consciousness can be developed. Previous episodes this month have discussed tenants' and workers' movements. This week William talks with René Moya of the Debt Collective and LA Tenants Union, continuing the conversation about tenant organizing, digging deeper into debtor organizing, and looking at ways two intertwine.

Moya also explores the culturally constructed shame associated with all forms of debt and the work needed to politicize and end that shame. The conversation concludes with an optimistic lookto the future, envisioning a movement that fights for the decommodification of land by confronting institutions that perpetuate debt and exploitation.

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