As a follow-up to our two-part episode recorded in Graterford Maximum Security Prison, please enjoy this encore of our January episode where Ray and Dr. Conte were joined by the Secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections, John E. Wetzel, who is widely recognized as one of the thought leaders in corrections today. They have a wide-ranging and inspiring conversation on criminal justice reform, the children of incarcerated parents, and the importance of hope.

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