Welcome to Crawlspace. In this episode Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with Jill McCabe Johnson about an encounter she had with a man named Gary who was most likely Gary Ridgway - the Green River Killer. 
Read Jill's article on Slate: https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/06/green-river-killer-gary-ridgway-encounter.html
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234 // Encounter With The Green River Killer

Crawlspace is where crime meets culture.
We host interesting conversations about unsolved murders, serial killers, cold cases and paranormal activity. We go beyond entertainment as we dig deeper to tell stories of crimes, vanished people, and injustices. Our guests include survivors, authors, journalists, podcasters, advocates, and educators. 
Starting in 2017 with a deep dive into the disappearance of Brianna Maitland, Crawlspace is hosted by Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna of the Missing Maura Murray and Missing podcasts; and occasionally by Jennifer Amell of Dark Valley. 
Frequent topics include unsolved murders like the JonBenét Ramsey case, wrongful convictions like John Giuca, serial killers like the Zodiac killer, Christopher Wilder, and Jeffrey Dahmer. We speak with experts in criminal psychology like Dr Michelle Ward, survivors like Jane Boroski, and even Satanist Lucien Greaves. But we also have a lighter side where we discuss ghosts and paranormal activity, weird cryptids like Bigfoot and Mothman, and fun mysteries like the dolls found in a Michigan couple’s mailbox.
Authors like Jon Ronson, Rabia Chaudry, and Daniel Stone have joined us and we’ve even spoken with familiar names in comedy and entertainment like Melissa Rivers, Patrick Hinds, and Dave Holmes.
Crawlspace is a Glassbox Media & Crawlspace Media production.

True crime

Welcome to Crawlspace. In this episode, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna speak about two stories that interest them. First it's the Annabelle doll. What's the story? How close are the movies? What's the deal with the Warren's? Next is the Phantom Barber of Pascagoula. What's the story with this home invader who clipped kids's hair while they slept?
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Sources:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/annabelle-doll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annabelle_(doll).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_and_Lorraine_Warren.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-people-still-support-the-so-called-demonoligists-and-paranormal-investigators-Ed-and-Lorraine-Warren-despite-very-clear-evidence-that-they-were-frauds-and-con-artists.
https://www.nhregister.com/living/article/Real-Annabelle-story-shared-by-Lorraine-11382545.php.
https://www.hauntedrooms.co.uk/the-real-annabelle-doll-story-conjuring.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-and-history-of-the-Annabelle-doll.
https://www.ctinsider.com/entertainment/article/Annabelle-Ed-Lorraine-Warren-Occult-Museum-CT-17501729.php.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-warrens-occult-museum-monroe-connecticut.
https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/annabelle/.
https://www.newspapers.com/image/458891466/?fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjQ1ODg5MTQ2NiwiaWF0IjoxNzA2Nzk4ODY5LCJleHAiOjE3MDY4ODUyNjl9.QlnZDgjD1cVNUmr18iqDUD0vrBlh_AIiihR-mvBw04o
https://ourmshome.com/the-mystery-of-pascagoulas-phantom-barbour/
https://blog.newspapers.com/the-phantom-barber-of-pascagoula/
https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tDP1TeoSM-qNGD04ipILE5OTM8vzUkEAFA7B3U&q=pascagoula&oq=PASCAG&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCggBEC4YsQMYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIKCAEQLhixAxiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQLhiABDINCAQQLhivARjHARiABDIHCAUQLhiABDIGCAYQRRg8MgYIBxBFGDzSAQg3MTExajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#eim=CAEQCxoSMzAuMzU1NDk5Mzg1MTA1ODQ4IhItODguMzU5OTI2Njk1NTM4OTI
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24750573.2017.1420377
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447 // Annabelle Doll & Phantom Barber of Pascagoula

Welcome to Crawlspace. In this episode, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna have another fascinating discussion with the great Casey Sherman. Casey is an acclaimed journalist and author of more than ten books. He is also a contributing writer for Esquire, Time, The Washington Post, and Boston Magazine. His latest book, A Murder In Hollywood, is the subject of this conversation and in it, Casey digs deep to uncover the dark underbelly of old-time Hollywood. Join us as we navigate through the lives of Lana Turner, her daughter Cheryl and Lana's wildly abusive lover, a mobster named Johnny Stompanato. A Murder In Hollywood goes beneath the glitz and glamour of 1950s Hollywood and reveals the horrors of how stars and starlets were systematically abused and taken advantage of.
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https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/136276881
https://www.cavalierhousebooks.com/book/9781728276502
https://bookshop.org/p/books/a-murder-in-hollywood-the-untold-story-of-tinseltown-s-most-shocking-crime-casey-sherman/19997410?ean=9781728276502
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446 // Murder in Hollywood w/ Casey Sherman

Welcome to Crawlspace. In this episode, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna extend their friendship with the creators of the Slaycation podcast. On Dec. 27th, 2023 they were joined by Jerry Kolber and today they have the pleasure of speaking with Jerry's co-hosts/co-creators, Kim & Adam "Tex" Davis. This is a great conversation that highlights three stories they cover in Slaycation (Shanquella Robinson, Gabe & Tina Watson, and Harold & Toni Henthorn) and includes several laughs and thoughtful insights. Slaycation tells the stories of people who met their untimely end while on vacation.
For more information on:
Shanquella Robinson https://www.essence.com/news/shanquella-robinson-one-year-later/
Gabe & Tina Watson https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/05/man-guilty-manslaughter-wife-scuba-death
Harold & Toni Henthorn https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/harold-henthorn-claims-colorado-attorney-sold-me-down-river-convicted-wife-killer-court/
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445 // Slaycation 2 W/Kim & Adam "Tex" Davis

Welcome to Crawlspace. In this episode, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna are joined by good friend and colleague, Bill Thomas. Bill, along with Kristin Dilley, hosts the excellent podcast, Mind Over Murder. Bill is the brother of Cathleen Thomas who, along with her girlfriend Rebecca Ann Dowski, were the first victims of the serial killer that terrorized couples in the region of the Colonial Parkway in Virginia between 1986 and 1989. In January of 2024, a man named Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. was named as the prime suspect in connection to the murders of David Knobling and Robin Edwards, Teresa Lynn Howell and Cassandra Hailey and Richard Call. Wilmer Sr. passed away in 2017 but developments continue to emerge every day.
Check out the official Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com/
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mind-over-murder/id1494058129
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444 // Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. & The Colonial Parkway Murders W/Bill Thomas

When a charismatic young doctor announces revolutionary treatments for cancer and HIV, patients from around the world turn to him for their last chance. As medical experts praise Serhat Gumrukcu’s genius, the company he co-founded rockets in value to over half a billion dollars. But when a team of researchers makes a startling discovery, they begin to suspect the brilliant doctor is hiding a secret. From Wondery, the new season of Dr. Death: Bad Magic is a story of miraculous cures, magic and murder. Hosted by Laura Beil.
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234 // Encounter With The Green River Killer

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