Endure to the End

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In this episode of Endure to the End, Josh and Caitlin talk about what it really looks like to trust God in the middle, the part of life that feels confusing, heavy, and unresolved.

Using the contrast between Palm Sunday and Easter, they explore how expectations don’t always match reality. What felt certain and hopeful can quickly turn into disappointment, grief, or unanswered questions. But just like Christ’s story, the middle is not the end.

00:00 – Introduction and upcoming half marathon02:30 – Palm Sunday vs Easter: expectations vs reality05:00 – Trusting God when things fall apart08:00 – The “messy middle” and why it’s hard11:00 – Grief, loss, and unanswered prayers13:30 – Finding peace in God’s nature16:30 – Why we are “pressed” through trials20:00 – The role of agency and God’s plan25:00 – The hope of the resurrection30:30 – Pressing forward with faith in Christ

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In this episode of Endure to the End, Josh and Caitlin talk about the principle of progress over perfection and how endurance running has helped them better understand spiritual growth.

Training for long-distance races has shown them that improvement doesn’t come from perfect runs. It comes from consistently showing up, even when the run feels slow or difficult. They explore how this same principle applies to the gospel: spiritual growth rarely comes through dramatic moments, but through small, steady efforts over time.

00:00 – Introduction02:00 – The lesson endurance running teaches about perfection06:00 – Fueling your body and avoiding burnout10:30 – Line upon line: how real growth happens15:30 – Why you can’t skip the process of growth21:30 – God values effort, not perfection23:45 – Sponsor: Zunex Pest Control25:00 – Small daily deposits create spiritual change30:00 – Overcoming perfectionism and social pressure37:00 – Press forward with hope in Christ

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In this episode of Endure to the End, Josh and Caitlin talk about the things we treasure in life and what those priorities reveal about our hearts.

They reflect on how the values we grow up with such as faith, family, perseverance, service, and gratitude can shape who we become as adults. The conversation explores the difference between what the world often celebrates (status, money, popularity, and image) and what Christ taught truly matters.

The episode ultimately invites listeners to pause and ask themselves an important question:
What do I truly treasure, and where is it leading me?

00:00 – Introduction00:25 – What we treasure reveals who we become01:50 – Scripture: Alma 34 and preparing to meet God03:30 – Values learned from our parents growing up07:40 – Faith, family, and gratitude as core values10:00 – What Christ teaches us to treasure14:40 – The world’s treasures vs eternal treasures21:50 – Popular culture, status, and influence32:40 – Scripture about laying up treasures in heaven41:45 – How small daily choices shape our character46:05 – Final thoughts and invitation to reflect

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In this episode of Endure to the End, we talk about something deeply personal and incredibly common: people pleasing.

For a long time, people pleasing felt sincere. It felt kind. It felt loving. But over time, we’ve learned that constantly over-explaining, overextending, and trying to control how others perceive us is not Christlike and it’s not peaceful.

We talk about how easy it is to give away your power by managing other people’s emotions, controlling narratives, and fearing being misunderstood. But when we look at the Savior’s life, we don’t see someone who chased approval. We see someone calm, restrained, honest, and rooted in His relationship with the Father.

Ultimately, this episode is about anchoring your identity in Christ rather than in how well you are perceived. When we know God understands our heart, we don’t have to beg to be understood by everyone else.

People may misunderstand you. You may lose relationships. But if you are honest with yourself and striving to be Christlike, that is enough.

00:00 – Opening music00:03 – Welcome to Endure to the End00:40 – Introducing the topic of people pleasing01:12 – How people pleasing gives away your power02:24 – Sincerity and anxiety behind people pleasing03:18 – Christ didn’t over-explain Himself04:08 – Self-abandonment and emotional exhaustion05:02 – Letting people misunderstand you06:07 – Over-explaining is not Christlike07:20 – The “Let Them” mindset08:16 – Trying to control the narrative09:08 – When people hold onto their version of you10:26 – Christ was misunderstood and crucified11:22 – Being misunderstood by close relationships13:40 – Scripture: Moroni 8:1614:47 – God’s love is not conditional16:26 – Two good people can still talk past each other18:48 – Being understood by God more than man19:35 – Perfect love casts out fear20:52 – Love does not equal access21:14 – Jesus loved everyone but gave access to few22:08 – Correction reveals character23:31 – Sponsor: Zunex Pest Control24:04 – Correction and humility25:22 – Don’t force relationships26:20 – Habits vs personality28:24 – Scripture: Matthew 7:629:00 – Protecting your pearls30:18 – Shallow bonding vs safe connection31:38 – Seasons of independence32:24 – Not everyone belongs in your inner circle33:56 – Oversharing can strain your marriage34:52 – “Team No New Friends” season36:43 – Big rocks: spouse, kids, God38:18 – Losing people doesn’t mean losing yourself40:36 – Christ as the perfect interpersonal example42:31 – You are loved44:33 – Think Celestial moment

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Today we talk about what it really looks like to forgive when it feels undeserved or unfair. So often, hurt leads us to people please, over-explain, or try to control the narrative just to protect ourselves. But forgiveness asks us to release that control and trust God instead.

We reflect on the Savior’s example. His love was never conditional, yet He didn’t chase approval. We discuss how losing people doesn’t mean losing yourself, how God’s love remains steady through every season, and why forgiveness is less about excusing others and more about freeing your own heart.

In the end, choosing forgiveness is choosing peace, perspective, and an eternal focus even when it’s hard.

00:00 – Welcome to Endure to the End

01:12 – How people pleasing gives away your power

08:16 – Trying to control the narrative

14:47 – God’s love is not conditional

21:14 – Jesus loved everyone but gave access to few

26:20 – Habits vs personality

31:38 – Seasons of independence

38:18 – Losing people doesn’t mean losing yourself

44:33 – Think Celestial moment

This episode centers on a powerful, foundational question: what truly anchors our faith when the world feels uncertain and unsettled?

Josh and Caitlin reflect on recent conversations with close friends and family members who asked where their testimony and hope come from. The hosts share openly that the core of real endurance is not built on perfect circumstances, successful businesses, or even constant answers from God. Instead, it grows from knowing one eternal truth: we are sons and daughters of Heavenly Parents.

This episode is sincere, hopeful, and practical. It reminds listeners that while life may feel heavier each year, the love of God never changes. He is patient with us, involved in our lives, and invites us to keep pressing forward—faithfully and imperfectly.

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00:03 – Podcast welcome and introduction00:34 – Where Josh’s faith stems from01:06 – The hinge point of testimony01:20 – How faith gets us through hard times02:13 – Recognizing a relationship with God03:23 – Alignment with Jesus Christ brings clarity04:09 – Grace versus perfectionism04:53 – God’s nature never changes05:28 – Identity as children of God06:12 – Strained earthly relationships07:41 – Sharing personal stories08:10 – High school infatuation example10:16 – Idealizing people beyond reality11:05 – Josh’s mission turning point12:26 – Learning to trust God personally13:14 – Ether 12:27 and weakness15:28 – Scripture: Rich young ruler17:04 – Giving God our whole heart18:30 – Faith forged in painful moments19:24 – Over-idealization and identity21:24 – Gratitude for God leading us22:15 – Healing through boundaries27:01 – Meekness explained30:12 – Responsibility to be good to others33:20 – Teaching children correctly34:39 – True definition of meekness36:29 – Scripture: Romans 8:16-1738:36 – God’s love for all people41:03 – Think Celestial segment44:41 – Final testimony45:53 – Closing encouragement

Today we talk about a question many people wrestle with: Is God ever really silent?

Josh and Caitlin explore how their understanding of God’s communication has developed over time. We share how becoming parents changed the way we view Heavenly Father’s love and patience. What once sounded like simple textbook phrases became deeply meaningful after going through real-life trials and disappointments.

We discuss how it’s easy to expect constant answers delivered quickly and easily, like an online order. But God doesn’t usually work that way. Instead, He often guides us through small moments, quiet impressions, scriptures, prayer, and the everyday experiences of life.

Caitlin shares personal stories about grief, recovery from a C-section, and seeing meaningful signs like butterflies and the number 711 as reminders of God’s individualized care. Josh talks about how hard seasons in business and life helped him cling more tightly to his testimony and to God’s grace.

The big message from this episode:
Even when you can’t hear God clearly, that doesn’t mean He has left you. Sometimes the quiet is part of the plan. Enduring means continuing forward in faith, giving effort, and trusting that none of our struggles are wasted.

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00:00 – Opening music and introduction00:26 – Starting a new running training block01:32 – Why this episode focuses on God02:00 – Experiential understanding through parenting02:47 – How our opinions on God developed03:19 – Culture, pressure, and perfectionism05:09 – Expectations versus God’s timetable07:00 – Seeking God in the silence08:41 – Silence is not abandonment11:24 – Understanding identity and intrinsic worth13:22 – Trusting God’s grace in hard moments15:32 – Personal inputs are all we control18:47 – Doctrine preserving God’s mercy20:50 – The atonement redeeming suffering23:26 – Weakness and humility27:01 – Life always has purpose29:18 – Butterflies, signs, and tender mercies33:09 – Introducing the Think Celestial segment34:01 – Caitlin’s Think Celestial story38:17 – Learning to endure without comparisons40:07 – Josh’s testimony on hard seasons43:18 – Family sickness as holy work44:15 – Final encouragement

In this episode, we talk about calling, anointing, and the personal mission God places on each of our lives. Living the gospel is not about perfection or performance. It is about learning who you are, why you were sent here, and how to walk forward with faith and clarity in the season you are living right now.We also open up about negative thoughts, self-doubt, and the quiet ways fear can creep in and distort truth. Those voices are not from God. We talk about how opposition works, how to recognize when something is pulling you away from peace, and how learning to hear God’s voice more clearly can help you feel grounded, protected, and steady as you move forward.

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00:00 – Opening music and episode introduction

00:25 – Asking listeners for Instagram submissions

00:47 – Receiving interesting questions

01:16 – Main topic: living the gospel differently

02:02 – Doctrine versus culture

03:17 – Avoiding toxic perfectionism

05:09 – What do we get in return from the gospel?

08:22 – Not judging or comparing families

11:25 – Balancing effort and grace

13:00 – Teaching children line upon line

15:13 – Developing personal testimony

17:03 – Why silence is not abandonment

18:41 – God is not a respecter of persons

21:13 – The purpose behind endurance

22:28 – Becoming more compassionate

23:24 – Suicidal ideation warning

27:01 – Flipping the script on perfectionism

30:03 – Pressure from others versus motive

33:09 – Think Celestial segment introduction

36:14 – Caitlin’s Think Celestial moment

38:43 – Josh’s personal testimony

44:15 – Final encouragement

Welcome to another episode of Endure to the End with Josh and Caitlin.

In this episode, we respond to questions from our Instagram community and dive into a thoughtful discussion about how this generation is living the gospel differently than previous generations.

We talk about the difference between doctrine and culture, especially here in Utah. Perfectionism can sometimes creep into church life in ways that aren’t really doctrinal at all. We want to be careful not to judge ourselves or others by human standards that God never intended.

Service and church callings are meant to help us grow and connect with one another and with God. But enduring doesn’t require us to be perfect. It requires us to be sincere, humble, and willing to keep trying.

We also explore how we want to teach our children — focusing on gospel principles instead of comparisons. We discuss boundaries, agency, and why growth comes line upon line. Just like you can’t cheat running, you can’t cheat spiritual progression either.

The main takeaway:
Give your best effort. Trust God’s grace. And don’t get trapped chasing an image of perfection.

We close with a powerful scripture from Ether 12:27 about weakness, humility, and the sufficiency of grace in our lives.

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00:03 – Welcome and introduction00:25 – Instagram questions from listeners00:43 – Responding to intense submissions01:03 – How this generation lives the gospel differently01:18 – Teaching doctrine over culture02:04 – Perfectionism and cultural pressure02:47 – Avoiding judgment by human standards05:10 – Pressure felt by millennials08:23 – Comparison as the thief of joy10:08 – You can’t cheat spirituality11:43 – Scripture about not running faster than strength12:24 – Balancing capacity and grace15:41 – Personal experience with postpartum and callings19:08 – Accountability and agency21:30 – Peace through sincere service24:38 – True closeness with God27:17 – Lessons learned from friction33:09 – Testimony of service41:03 – Becoming more Christlike42:03 – Scripture: Ether 12:2744:16 – Final thoughts44:41 – Closing testimony

In this episode of Endure to the End, we talk honestly about LDS callings—what they are, what they aren’t, and how to navigate them with faith and personal revelation.We explore the question many members quietly wrestle with: Should I say yes or no when I’m called? Through prayer, discernment, and lived experience, we discuss how callings are meant to be an invitation to serve—not a hierarchy, not a measure of worth, and not a competition.We talk about serving God even when it’s hard, honoring individual circumstances, and trusting that revelation looks different for everyone. Whether you’re currently holding a calling, feeling burned out, or wondering how to set faithful boundaries, this episode is a reminder that we are all servants of God—and that He works through willing hearts, not pressure or comparison.

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00:00 – Introduction and episode trigger warning

00:25 – Life updates and celebrating our anniversary

02:00 – Pivoting the podcast direction

04:03 – Returning to endurance topics

05:35 – The Florida business collapse

06:00 – Josh’s darkest mental health season

07:37 – Supporting each other through different seasons

09:53 – Learning to surrender and trust

10:43 – Performance anxiety and identity in work

14:55 – Sponsor break: Zunex Pest Control

18:09 – God’s unchanging love

22:13 – Endurance as a web of relationships

25:22 – Parallels between running and the gospel

27:39 – Final thoughts on enduring together

33:47 – Testimony of faith and service

44:15 – Closing encouragement