Jed sits down with Nate Hagens, executive director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF), for a discussion on “energy blindness” and its repercussions on our understanding of energy’s foundational role in economics and daily life. Nate also introduces the concept of “energy primacy” and details how society’s rapid reliance on fossil fuels during the carbon pulse has led to undervaluing energy’s true worth.