“What's hard is there's a policy cognitive dissonance, where you don't want to put money into the system you're trying to leave; but if you don't do that you risk that system becoming more fragile, and then risk the political consensus you've built in order to actually get the motion to decarbonize in the first place.”

Kristen and Kyla talk with Rory Johnston, founder of Commodity Context, about the road to a just energy transition. Topics: what exactly is the energy grid; what are the economics behind decarbonizing; what is the reasoning behind continuing to invest in fossil fuels; what will the Alberta oil-sands look like over the next ten years; what are the local and geopolitics behind decarbonizing.

Website: https://www.pullback.org/episode-notes/episode76

Commodity Context: https://commoditycontext.substack.com

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Rory Johnston on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Rory_Johnston

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