Andrew Ginter published his third book this year: Engineering-Grade OT Security. Dale interviews Andrew on the book including:

• Who was the target reader that Andrew wrote the book for?
• Do (should) professional engineers lose their licenses for poor and dangerous cybersecurity design and deployments?
• The use of the term engineering grade, and how he defines it.
• Unhackable protection and safety controls as a major part of engineering grade.
• Unidirectional (one-way) network devices as the only security control listed as engineering grade. Is one-way from the enterprise network to the OT network engineering grade?
• Given the ICSSTRIVE/Waterfall report that 75% of all cyber incidents affecting operations are due to ransomware on IT, should asset owners prioritize address this issue or engineering grade security first?
• What is keeping Andrew working rather than retiring

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