Jindi and Lavinia discuss the idea of changing our society radically with the introduction of Universal Basic Income (UBI): an allowance that the government gives to all citizens, regardless of what they do in return. Experiments from the past show that the outcome has a positive effect on society. One of the most well-known promoters of UBI is Rutger Bregman, whose book 'Utopia for Realists' we discuss in this episode.