In this conversation with Enrique Rivera, director of the Santiago Media Arts Biennial in Chile, we explore the main curatorial themes of the 14th edition of the biennial ’The Fourth World.’ Enrique discusses them in conceptual, artistic and social terms as well as the political uprising that unfolded around the biennial. What might those ideas and events, including the biennial’s pedagogical platform ’The School of Intuition,’ indicate for the future of AI?