Two highly-recognized names in environmental media, Amy Harder (Cipher) and Heather Clancy (GreenBiz), sit down with Jennifer Holmgren to discuss why they became journalists, how covering climate has changed over the years, what challenges they face, what stories are not getting told but should, and much more. They ask each other powerful questions and leave the daisy-chain hook for Gearah Goldstein, founder of the GenderCool project.