In Episode 2 of Then & Now with Coach Z, Coach Z is joined by Bill Westbrooks and Todd Burchyett for a conversation shaped by decades of experience in college officiating. From Bill’s years spent in a referee uniform to Todd’s work in today’s replay-driven game, they reflect on the paths, people, and pivotal moments that have defined their careers.

Along the way, they discuss how officiating has evolved—from preparation and communication to technology and the pressure of getting every call right—while exploring the values that continue to guide the profession: integrity, accountability, and respect for the game.

This episode offers a rare look at college football through the eyes of those responsible for its most important decisions, connecting the traditions of the past with the realities of the game today.