Margaret talks about what she is learning from knitting and crocheting long beaded strands including Laura Nelkin's Ribband and Yuli Nilssen's Wrap Around Crochet bracelet.  Catherine talks about her work on the PANEM Katniss Cowl Wrap by Dalhia in Bloom using Lion Brand Wool-ease Thick and Quick.   Margaret and Catherine discuss rating patterns by levels of difficulty versus levels of concentration.   Margaret talks about visiting Table Bluff in Loleta, California and then discusses the benefits of using a kitchen scale to measure yarn.