We recorded this immediately after attending Leadership Labs, and you can feel it.

This conversation is all about what happens when leaders get stuck living in the “what” and forget the “why.”

Inspired by Arthur Brooks, we unpack:

• Why high performers are still struggling with meaning and happiness
• How constant stimulation is killing deep thinking
• The role of boredom in creativity, clarity, and leadership
• What it actually looks like to create margin in real life
• How this connects to how we lead our teams and families

No scripts. Just two leaders processing what matters most.