In today's episode, you'll hear my conversation with my friend and colleague, Meredith Clinton.

Meredith is a writer, artist and activist. She also gets credit for coming up with the name Climbing Sideways! This interview was such a joy. We talk about building a career in copywriting, but also recovering from burnout, lifelong learning, and meeting celebrities in Manhattan salons.

Also, I go on a tangent about air in sandwiches, and if you haven’t seen the viral moment I reference, here’s a link to the reel! The Secret to a Perfect Sandwich is Air

If you're on Substack, follow us there, climbingsideways.substack.com. And of course, we're on Instagram and threads @climbingsidewayspod.

And Meredith's website is meredithclinton.com.

Thank you so, so much to Zubin Hensler, who does all of the mixing and original music for the show.

We'll be back in a couple weeks with another conversation.

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