Today’s guests are breakdancer and video game designer Robbert-Jan Brems and North American First Nations advocate and dancer Leslie Kachina McCue. Robbert works at Unity Technologies in Solutions Engineering and is also a tech advisor at Danse Bloom. Leslie is a traditional dancer, indigenous resource knowledge teacher, and coordinator for the Royal Ontario Museum Youth Cabinet. We hear from Robbert how breakdancing taught him about passion and creativity, and how these lessons went a long way in showing him he could learn anything he wanted. He went from being bad at gaming to a game developer because of it. Leslie’s life ambition is to use the land as a dramaturgical device and leverage theatre, education, and dance to preserve her culture and bring justice to her people by telling their story. Our guests come from very different backgrounds but we cover some exciting overlaps today. We talk about how humility and togetherness are both major factors in their work.