This is part two of episode one, one of the last conversations I have with my writing coach and spiritual teacher before she passed away. 

If you haven't checked out my intro and part one, I suggest starting there. 

As I was editing this episode it was hard not to get emotional and realize how much I miss Phyllis's physical presence in my life.  I hope I can do justice to all her wisdom and knowledge in this episode and transfer the same to those who are open to listen to very different concepts than what we are used to. 

In this part of the conversation, she talks about the development of her spirituality as she experienced cancer four times, the lies she was told by her government and the traditional health system, what it means to trust ourselves and how we need to rethink the way we live as well as our notions of death.