🔐 In Episode 10 of The Non-Human & AI Identity Podcast, we sit down with Mike Schwartz, CEO of Gluu, to explore how organisations can govern AI agents & non-human identities in 2026. Mike introduces GovOps - the next-gen security governance framework built for the agentic AI era - and explains why most organisations are completely unprepared for what's coming.

From Identity Governance Administration (IGA) to dynamic authorisation engines, Michael breaks down why traditional governance has been hijacked by compliance — and what a continuous, risk-first approach actually looks like.

🎙️ In this episode, we cover:

✅ What GovOps is and the problem it solves for security leaders

✅ Why traditional IGA and RBAC fall short in the agentic AI world

✅ The 3 core components: Policy Authoring, Federation Management & Continuous Compliance

✅ How to govern non-human identities, AI agents, and third-party risk

✅ Why authorisation decisions need to move beyond role-based access control

✅ What CISOs and CEOs need to measure to sleep at night

✅ The intersection of GovOps, DevSecOps, and cloud-native infrastructure.

Whether you're a CISO, security architect, or IAM professional, this episode will change how you think about identity security in the age of AI.

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Key Moments

• Mr NHI’s Human Identity in the Hot Seat (3:47–13:13)
• What Is GovOps? (14:00–17:19)
• What Is the Scope of GovOps? (17:30–20:49)
• What Problem Are You Trying to Solve with GovOps? (21:11–26:29)
• The Main Focus of GovOps (26:31–29:50)
• What Are the Three Core Components: Policy Authoring and Federation Management? (30:34–37:54)
• How Will GovOps Help CEOs, Leaders, and Security Heads? (38:30–41:38)
• How Would GovOps Have Helped with the Recent McKinsey AI Platform Breach? (41:40–44:46)
• Is There Any Intersection Between GovOps, DevSecOps, and DevOps? (44:47–48:26)
• Closing Thoughts and Advice for the Audience (48:40–50:53)

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