In this episode Tim and Laurie talk to Laura Patsko about how she carried out the research that led to the creation of our evidence-informed learning design principles.

Laura is a language and pedagogy consultant and an exceptional researcher. In our conversation, we covered:

• Laura's circuitous route to became a learning experience designer.
• How we worked together in 2019 to share our understanding and unearth questions about what really works in learning; and how Laura used that as a launchpad to dive into an ocean of learning science research, with the goal of helping us to identify and synthesise practical insights that could inform the work we do as learning designers.
• Laura's specific process for working through mountains of research in a way that's both effective and manageable.
• How Laura is able to maintain energy and stay productive while doing research work.
• How bringing in external reviewers took the process to the next level, and uncovered a major gap in our thinking about how learning works.
• How we can apply the insights from the research in practical ways on learning projects.
• How we see our learning design principles evolving over time.