Fellow podcaster Mike Fallek joins Sarah to talk about a man who was arguably the first known child predator and murderer, a man who was also known as a hero who fought alongside Joan of Arc. The man is Gilles de Rais. We discuss the parallels between this case from the 15th century, and the Johnny Gosch case which originated on September 5, 1982. Unfortunately these crimes against the young and innocent are nothing new. Today we try to delve into the minds of these perpetrators.