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Ep. 10 – Trans Identity and Liberation | Farewell Evangelicalism
Featuring: Rohadi Nagassar (he/him), Celeste Irwin (she/her), and Dr. Roberto Espinoza (he/him)
Episode 10 in the serial series ‘Farewell Evangelicalism’, designed to name malformed pillars that shape evangelical/conservative Christian thought and beliefs. The hope is to catalyze pathways for folks to leave this faith tradition that does more harm than good. Sexuality and gender constructs are a significant pillars in evangelical identity. Any body that pushes against a white cis-gendered, straight able-bodied male gaze is a threat.
In this episode, we discuss trans identity and liberation. Featuring Celeste Irwin and Dr. Che Roberto, two voices speaking on trans identity, offering us a picture of a wide ethic of liberation.
Why should this conversation matter if you’re not trans? Because you’re a curious human! In this moment, 2025, trans folks are the primary target of conservative politicians and religious leaders, who better to learn from on what liberation looks like than the very folks furthest from the center? So through the example of Jesus where the last shall be first.
Episode 10 Show Notes
(00:00) Introduction with Rohadi
(05:34) Celeste Irwin and her story.
(12:00) Finding liberation escaping religious community.
(16:00) Finding her whole self.
(18:40) Naming malformed policies in conservative ideology/Christian right.
(34:24) Pivot to Dr. Roberto
(35:12) Intro Dr. Roberto Espinoza and his story.
(39:20) Finding home on the land.
(42:00) Finding healing in the body.
(47:20) A trans take on the resurrection and signals for future hope.
(57:25) The threat to our democracy and the power of stories.
(1:01:00) Where is the light?
Featuring your host: Rohadi Nagassar (he/him)
Rohadi’s books can be found here, including his latest publication, When We Belong. Reclaiming Christianity on the Margins. Visit his online church community: https://abeautifultable.ca/
Celeste Irwin (she/her) – Trans Activist and Writer
Celeste is a transgender, lesbian woman. She is a writer and advocate for transgender rights and inclusion in Christian spaces. Having survived an abusive church, she also writes about spiritual abuse. Visit her website/Substack and find her on BlueSky.
Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza (he/him) – Public Theologian and Author
Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza is a Transgender & Latinx public scholar, using imaginative narrative to steward more ethical futures. Find more about his resources and exoertise on his website: https://robertoche.com/. Find his Substack and Instagram.
Bumper music by Daniel Wheat; Intro by Jesse Peters
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Featuring: Rohadi Nagassar (he/him), Celeste Irwin (she/her), and Dr. Roberto Espinoza (he/him)
Episode 10 in the serial series ‘Farewell Evangelicalism’, designed to name malformed pillars that shape evangelical/conservative Christian thought and beliefs. The hope is to catalyze pathways for folks to leave this faith tradition that does more harm than good. Sexuality and gender constructs are a significant pillars in evangelical identity. Any body that pushes against a white cis-gendered, straight able-bodied male gaze is a threat.
In this episode, we discuss trans identity and liberation. Featuring Celeste Irwin and Dr. Che Roberto, two voices speaking on trans identity, offering us a picture of a wide ethic of liberation.
Why should this conversation matter if you’re not trans? Because you’re a curious human! In this moment, 2025, trans folks are the primary target of conservative politicians and religious leaders, who better to learn from on what liberation looks like than the very folks furthest from the center? So through the example of Jesus where the last shall be first.
Episode 10 Show Notes
(00:00) Introduction with Rohadi
(05:34) Celeste Irwin and her story.
(12:00) Finding liberation escaping religious community.
(16:00) Finding her whole self.
(18:40) Naming malformed policies in conservative ideology/Christian right.
(34:24) Pivot to Dr. Roberto
(35:12) Intro Dr. Roberto Espinoza and his story.
(39:20) Finding home on the land.
(42:00) Finding healing in the body.
(47:20) A trans take on the resurrection and signals for future hope.
(57:25) The threat to our democracy and the power of stories.
(1:01:00) Where is the light?
Featuring your host: Rohadi Nagassar (he/him)
Rohadi’s books can be found here, including his latest publication, When We Belong. Reclaiming Christianity on the Margins. Visit his online church community: https://abeautifultable.ca/
Celeste Irwin (she/her) – Trans Activist and Writer
Celeste is a transgender, lesbian woman. She is a writer and advocate for transgender rights and inclusion in Christian spaces. Having survived an abusive church, she also writes about spiritual abuse. Visit her website/Substack and find her on BlueSky.
Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza (he/him) – Public Theologian and Author
Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza is a Transgender & Latinx public scholar, using imaginative narrative to steward more ethical futures. Find more about his resources and exoertise on his website: https://robertoche.com/. Find his Substack and Instagram.
Bumper music by Daniel Wheat; Intro by Jesse Peters