Ali and Eric are back on location in the desert landscape of Calico, Ca. They're joined by friend and fellow overlander/offroad enthusiast, Jimmy Shaw, who's also a badass photographer. Our conversation tangents range across the topics of photography, minorities within the offroad/overland space, the drawbacks of electric cars, wanting Subaru to be great again and more.

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